Clara & David Harris-Part 2: Clara's Confessions

After a little travel break, we conclude the Clara & David Harris case. 

A Mercedes-Benz becomes a murder weapon in a Houston hotel parking lot when Clara Harris discovers her husband's affair. What drives someone to such an extreme act of violence? This riveting deep-dive explores how a seemingly perfect marriage between two successful dentists shattered in an instant of rage that left David Harris dead and Clara behind bars.

The story takes a particularly disturbing turn as we learn that David's teenage daughter Lindsay witnessed the entire incident from the passenger seat of the Mercedes. Her heartbreaking testimony—"I felt the bumps"—provides some of the most damning evidence against her stepmother. The episode carefully examines both the prosecution's case that this was premeditated murder and the defense's argument that Clara acted in a "sudden passion" without intent to kill.

Beyond the crime itself, we uncover the fascinating aftermath spanning two decades: the multiple civil lawsuits that bankrupted Clara, her transformation into a model prisoner who learned Braille to translate textbooks, and her eventual release after serving 15 years. Perhaps most touching is the revelation that her twin sons, only five when their mother went to prison, visited her faithfully every month for 15 years.

The case became such a cultural touchstone in Houston that "pulling a Clara Harris" entered the local lexicon as shorthand for catching a cheating spouse. But beneath this dark humor lies a profound tragedy that affected multiple families and reminds us how quickly a moment of unbridled emotion can permanently alter countless lives.

Have you ever wondered what happens to someone after they've committed a crime that shocked an entire city? Listen now to discover Clara's surprising post-prison life and the lessons this case teaches about forgiveness, redemption, and the devastating consequences of revenge.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Clara Harris Case
• 5:43 The Defense Strategy
• 11:32 Testimony of Key Witnesses
• 19:09 Autopsy Evidence & Prosecution
• 24:07 Gail Bridges' Account
• 29:14 Verdict and Aftermath
• 32:37 Clara's Prison Years and Release

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Welcome to All that Is Hidden True Crime. I'm your host, kristen Roberts. This podcast contains strong language and discussions of sensitive topics that may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

Speaker 1: 0:18

Two of the Clara and David Harris case. In a true crime story, if the perpetrator is caught, there are always different phases the perception of why the murder occurred and the actual trial. If you listen to part one, you might wonder who could defend Clara Harris when multiple witnesses and even the victim's daughter watched Clara run over David several times. One thing is for sure of all the witnesses that would come forward to take the stand, most of them could not agree on how many times David was ran over, not even the pathologist. The telephone game is real y'all. But we do have George Parnum as Clara's lawyer. He had just defended Andrea Yates, to no avail, but again, that was pretty cut and dry. He had to be creative to take these cases on and he definitely did his best to confuse the jury here. They were introduced to the law of sudden passion and these days you would hear that referred to as crime of passion. These refer to a defense where a crime, particularly a homicide, is committed in the heat of the moment due to extreme anger or other intense emotion, without premeditation. And that's where it gets tricky in Clara's case premeditation because she did run over him multiple times. It's a mitigating factor that can reduce the severity of a charge, potentially lessening a murder charge to just manslaughter.

Speaker 1: 1:49

The trial lasted for two and a half weeks and the jury included nine women and three men, which is probably good for Clara. The sentence up for grabs was guilty of either murder, manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, or she could just be set free. These jurors were not easy to come by. One juror, after getting kicked off, admitted that she had nicked her husband with a truck after discovering him with a mistress years ago. Another one stated that they could emotionally relate to Clara Harris any married woman can. So it's amazing that they had that many women left over on the jury. And you know, but who knows, these people could have just been trying to get out of jury duty by saying that, and it worked for those people.

Speaker 1: 2:43

According to excerpts from the Houston Chronicle and New York Times, clara kept her gold wedding band on during the trial and often wiped her eyes as she cried while her lawyer made Gil Bridges the victim, calling her a homewrecker who enticed and seduced him into a relationship that should not have happened. George Partham said his client had hired a private detective to track her husband and his lover so that she could prove that she was after David's money. Now they described George Parnum as a man of quiet, professional demeanor with a tendency to forget names and wander off the point. I mean he had just defended Andrea Yates, so the guy was probably tired. He probably didn't even know what trial he was in at this point. And they are two very different trials. Andrea Yates killed her kids and Clara ran over her husband. So it's very different. While I don't know can be alike as well. It's pretty awful defending someone murdering in that fashion.

Speaker 1: 3:49

So he basically said that David fell victim to frailty of humanity and he made some bad choices. His wife meanwhile, having been the last in her husband's office to hear about the affair, fired Mrs Bridges. What wife would do otherwise? Mr Parnum asked a question he repeated several times in his summation. Concerned about her husband's pattern of deception, she tried to track him down on July 24th to make sure that he was breaking up with Mrs Bridges, and he had promised to do so. The defense lawyer said you know, this is why she was even there, with her in the car, with their 16-year-old stepdaughter Lindsay David Harris's daughter by his first marriage. Do you think for one moment that had Clara Harris intended to kill her husband, she would have had her stepdaughter in the car? This is part of his defense. Never, never, he said.

Speaker 1: 4:51

Dr Harris, he conceded, was upset after seeing her husband and Miss Bridges emerging from the hotel elevator hand in hand. But Mr Partum insisted, as he had throughout the trial, that the victim's death a few minutes later was a result of an accident. His client, he said, intended only to smash into Ms Bridges' parked Lincoln Navigator and did not see her husband standing next to it, ushering his lover into the driver's seat. But during the trial, several witnesses testified that Dr Harris had circled the parking lot as many as three times, running over her husband's body each time. Their testimony was central to the prosecutor's case, since it supported a medical examiner's opinion that markings on David Harris's body showed the Mercedes passing over it at least twice, once when he was face up and once while he was face down. In addition, the undercarriage of a car showed evidence of two passes.

Speaker 1: 5:55

When David's daughter took the stand, she was 17 years old and a student at Columbus, ohio, and the courtroom in Harris County State District Court was packed. She's probably the most important witness because she literally had a front seat to the homicide. She said quote, she just had this evil look on her face. She described her as they drove around for hours looking for David. She said she could kill my father for what he'd done to her. She testified and briefly glanced at her stepmother. She was on the witness stand almost five hours, she said.

Speaker 1: 6:33

Clara said quote, I'm going to hit him. Lindsay quoted her as saying she drove towards Dr Harris and Miss Bridges who were standing in the parking lot next to Bridges' car. She was determined that's what was going to happen. He was really scared, she said, describing her father as a Mercedes barreled toward him. I know that he was trying to get out of the way and he couldn't. He pushed Gail Bridges out of the way before he was hit, she said, although some witnesses say it was a hotel worker that pushed her out of the way. The impact, as we know, threw him about 25 feet over some medians and then Clara started circling around and ran over him three times. Lindsay said so we've heard two. Lindsay is saying three times. Quote I felt the bumps. She started making a distinction between the sound of the car going over her father's body and that that it made running over a pair of medians, she said. When she finally stopped the car, she ran over to her husband and said I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, it was an accident. She wasn't sorry. Lindsay testified she had killed him.

Speaker 1: 7:46

The young woman's appearance in court clearly displayed her ambivalence about the events that led to the death of her father. As she listened to her stepfather's testimony, clara Harris began crying. She was reprimanded quickly by Judge Carol Davies, the second time in two days, and the reason was because she really lost it when she started hearing the results of his autopsy. In her first outburst, when they were going through the injuries that David had, the medical examiner gave details of the crushing injuries that he had suffered. She was led from a courtroom and the trial was recessed for 15 minutes. During Lindsay's testimony, the judge just was not having it and he told her either you will sit here or she told her either you will sit here in a composed manner or you will be removed from the courtroom. Is that understood? In a whisper, the defendant assented when Clara took the stand, she testified that she did not mean to kill her husband but was only trying to wreck Gail's SUV. Okay, girl, in the heat of the moment she went on to say she didn't even know she had run over David. So David Harris's parents attended the trial and showed up on Clara's side, even lending her $70,000 for her defense fund. That is weird, but you'll hear how that all changes later.

Speaker 1: 9:12

Now for the autopsy Pathologist. Dwayne Wolfe testified that David Harris was run over at least twice and suffered a broken back, ribs, pelvis and jaw. How much pain he must have been in. This was a 4,000-pound weapon she was using, and that is the first time that Clara Harris broke down. The judge said you know, we're just not going to have a big show here. And she yelled it's the first time I've heard what's happening. Defense attorney George Parnum cupped his hand over her mouth and the judge said no more outbursts. So we already know she has another one.

Speaker 1: 9:51

When Lindsay testified, wolfe told jurors that David Harris was ran over at least twice and we know once while he was face up and once while he was face down. He detailed numerous injuries to Harris' head and back, showing photographs of the cuts, bruises and scrapes that he suffered. He also showed jurors a picture of a red mass on the side of his head, telling them it's hard to recognize that as an ear, given the degree of tearing and the impact. The prosecutor was Mia Magnus, and so, while Wolf was on the stand, she wanted to make sure that everybody knew that these were consistent with being run over two separate, distinct times. Wolf replied that's correct.

Speaker 1: 10:41

Now, under cross-examination, though, wolf admitted that he didn't include his opinion that he was ran over twice in the autopsy report, and that can be a little tricky because it almost sounds like he heard what happened later. He saw it on the news. So he thought maybe I should have said in my autopsy that he was ran over multiple times, or just you know, stating it, just didn't put it in there and is now stating the truth while he's on the stand, but it does look a little fishy. He said I don't see the pattern of injuries fitting the scenario you're describing, in other words three up to five times being ran over. He does say I see up to two. So he's even now heard the testimony and this is what he's saying two times.

Speaker 1: 11:28

So we also have the Webster Police Department detective Julio Cesar Raconis, testifying that, in addition to Harris's blood and bits of hair, palm and fingerprints were found on the car. One palm print was near the hood ornament and another was near the driver's side fender. Now Clara has admitted at this point that she struck her husband with her car, but the question before the jurors is whether she intentionally killed him. Partum said you know she claims she accidentally struck David Harris, but this is not looking good for her. Besides the bloody evidence, jurors also heard the 911 calls to police that night. On one call a man tells the operator we have a guy in a car who went nuts. He ran over somebody, so there's a witness, but he thinks it's a guy in the car.

Speaker 1: 12:24

Jurors also looked at the windshield wiper blades they brought them into court which were ripped from the lincoln navigator belonging to gail bridges, and photographs showing deep scratch marks along the vehicle sides and rear that were made by a key. Now we know she did something to her car, but we're getting the details. Raconis said he couldn't lift fingerprints from the wiper blades but that his client had committed the vandalism that. Partum said that she had committed the vandalism. We also have Lindsay as a witness to this. And then he also asked Raconis to read the carbon copy receipts of any receipts or you know, checkbook copies that were found in Clara's car.

Speaker 1: 13:11

Amongst the checks signed in the days leading up to her husband's death were two made out to a hair salon a $100 check to a spa, a check to a nail salon we know she was getting busy, this is the proof. A check to a Baptist church for its building fund how kind is that, right before you murder someone. And a 1277 check for a one-year membership to a gym. Additionally, checks signed by her were to the investigative firm she hired to follow her husband. Now Parham wants them to read this. So because we we know she is concerned, he also kind of wants to illustrate. She's being fed this information by the investigative firm. You know, kind of riled her up to look for her husband. She also wrote to a lingerie store, a woman's clothing store, two checks totaling 53-10 on the day of his death to the family's bank, with a notation in the memo reading Thomas Wiener. Raconis said he didn't know who, wiener's profession or what he did, who he was, but we later find out that he specializes in breast augmentation. So listen, clara, everything she was up to the last days when she found out he was cheating. It's all in her car, in a checkbook, and in the flap of her checkbook was also Gail Bridges' phone number, and we know Gail said she was calling her and making threats, and this is proof that she did have the phone number.

Speaker 1: 14:43

Now, speaking of Gail Bridges, we haven't heard much out of her. What happened with her after the incident? Well, she was refusing to talk to any news outlets, but about seven months after the incident she did agree to talk to Cindy Garza at News 2 Houston. So we'll take a moment away from the trial and talk about the account from Gail Bridges. What she said happened.

Speaker 1: 15:09

This one is very detailed, and so she describes the night that she and David were confronted by Clara in the hotel lobby. What happened when you got to the elevator, garza asked? She said we were leaving the hotel and I was looking at David and I noticed all of a sudden his face changed and I went to look in that direction and then, when we saw her soon after that, it just turned into massive turmoil and the only thing I could do was yell for help, for someone to please, please, get her off me. She said Clara was pulled off of her because she was attacking her, pulling her hair, punching her head and face, and that she even bit her, which we knew that. Bridges then walked to her car with David and the reporter asked did you see the car coming towards you? Bridges replied yes, it's hard to tell what happened. I could hear someone yell at me to get away from the car, to get away, and I didn't quite understand why until I turned and looked. That was when she struck me on the leg with a vehicle. Now we didn't know until this point that she actually had hit Gail as well, so her target might have been Gail and she was thrown to the ground. And she said that she really didn't know that David was hit until his daughter was running towards her and said she killed my dad. She killed my dad and at that point I knew I had to focus on her.

Speaker 1: 16:46

Bridges said she never saw this coming because Clara knew of their affair and David told his mistress he was leaving his wife. Bridges now suffers from postpartum stress disorder, flashbacks, nightmares and is on medication, and this was only seven months after the incident. She said a lot of women would say I don't feel sorry for you because you were going out with a married man. And she responded the affair was wrong. I do not regret, or will ever regret, that I got to know him and that he became part of my life. He once told me that he would spend the rest of his life with me and he did. She said If you have anything to say to Clara, what would it be? Garza asked this was an unfortunate tragedy and it did not have to happen. She said. And she said that her heart goes out to the children, especially Lindsay, who was in the car as a witness that night. She always said that David called Lindsay his angel and now David is her angel.

Speaker 1: 17:49

Bridges was a very afraid to get on the television camera. I mean, you know she didn't want to be seen. This is a very different outcome than some women who I mean at this point. She definitely knew he was married. There's no denying that. She didn't want her face shown. She probably would never live that down. So she just did the audio recording. Her face shown, she probably would never live that down. So she just did the audio recording. And as soon as they walked into her home with a camera, she bolted in the bed bedroom and did not want to come out until the cameras were gone. So strictly audio for this recording. She said that her life has never been the same since that night and that she has been seeing a therapist and that her leg was still bothering her at that time.

Speaker 1: 18:33

So now we'll jump back to the trial, and again the prosecutor was Mia Magnus and as they were closing up testimony and summation, she recalled one witness's testimony that David Harris had stopped the car and rushed her husband's prone body, saying David, do you see what you made me do so? Totally different quotes coming from different people. You heard one thing from Lindsay. You hear all these different eyewitness accounts, but she was there for a minute holding his body, so she could have said a lot of things. The thing about this quote is Magnus was trying to show that she was conscious of her actions and not in some irrational fog as she had contended. The prosecutor reminded juries that Lindsay had quoted her stepmother as saying I'm going to kill him as a car raced toward David.

Speaker 1: 19:28

The theory that it was an accident has been picked all apart, said Ms Magnus, who acknowledged that David Harris' fear did cause his wife pain and that the jury probably does sympathize with her. She's like I know you sympathize with her, but I'm showing you that she thought about this. This was premeditated. She thought about it before she ran over him a second time and now we're hearing a third time. But we know two for sure. If a man is caught cheating on you, you do what every woman in this county does you take him to the cleaners is what Mia Magnus said. Now I don't know Clara had taken him to the cleaners when she owned 51%. I mean she could probably get another half of that half and it's definitely better than what she did. But she said you don't get to kill him. And the truth be told, in Texas back in those days, they could take someone to cleaners for cheating. It was the law and it's why Blue Moon was being hired left and right to prove someone was cheating.

Speaker 1: 20:38

Now, after all the witnesses have testified and the prosecution and defense have given their long speeches, the jury is offered deliberation. They go for eight hours over two days and they recommend the higher sentencing for a crime of passion. So she could get anywhere from two years to 20 years. Lindsay is the only witness for the prosecution during the penalty phase of the trial, the 17-year-old testified that she had tried to commit suicide four times in the months after her father's death on July 24th. Her father's death on July 24th, magnus reminded jurors how Lindsay Harris had gotten her father's clothing out of the trash, where it had been thrown earlier that day, and laid the items out on her bed so she could feel like he was there. After wrapping up on what would have been Clara and David's 11th wedding anniversary on Valentine's Day wild, the judge came back and sentenced Clara to the hectic sentence of 20 years in prison, and she would have her first parole hearing in 2012.

Speaker 1: 21:40

While the trial was a spectacle, what came during Clara's incarceration was a ton of lawsuits. In 2004, lindsay sued Clara for wrongful death and was awarded about $2 million from their father's estate, as were her half-brothers. Clara retained $1.2 million in assets. Also in 2004, lawyers representing the children, brian and Bradley Harris only five and Lindsay 18,. Bradley Harris, only five and Lindsay 18, sought a reward for damages from the Nassau Bay Hilton Hotel and the Blue Moon Investigation Agency of Webster. So they're claiming that the hotel didn't really help and didn't have good training for situations like this. I will add that some management was fired after testimony that year. So they were definitely let go Blue Moon they were after, because you know the prosecutors are saying they should not have shared that, that David Harris was at the hotel Although there are different accounts of that saying Blue Moon didn't do that and that they just shared some information and that she took a wild guess.

Speaker 1: 22:50

That you know if you heard Lindsay's testimony, they drove around for hours looking for him but she was getting a play by play from Blue Moon. They were sitting in the parking lot of the hotel. They had followed him around. So you know who knows what they told her when they called her. But they were being accused of being responsible and you know if they did give the hotel name. You tend to have to agree with that, but you know, who knows, we may never know, but in any case, blue Moon's investigation chief, jeff Moore, told the Houston Chronicle that he was just glad it's over. So they did have to settle. The hotel's management also settled, and you know. So they had to pay sounds like they had to pay out. We'll never know. They're sealed and the judge had to kind of sign off on that, which I believe that he did. Now here's the part that we should have saw this one coming In 2007, she was brought back to Houston for a civil trial to defend herself in a wrongful death lawsuit with David's parents.

Speaker 1: 23:54

Now they had turned on her after sentencing because people say Clara changed her mind that they should raise the twin boys and they did go to stay with a couple that knew Clara and David. So they didn't go to his parents and they were upset about that. Let's face it. If they were listening in court to that autopsy and saw those photos, that might have changed their mind as well. So who could really support someone who did that to their son? She had a story. She claimed it was an accident with them in the beginning. So they're supporting her. They're giving her 70 grand for the trial and then they start finding out the truth that you know she's hitting him multiple times and so again you could see where they're not supporting her anymore. They claim they lost money during the trial by letting her use funds and have no access to David's funds to help them during retirement. Now remember Lindsay's lawsuit came in 2004. This is 2007. She's been sued a number of times. She probably doesn't have any money left. This is kind of like. Late in the game she took the stand and Clara did and pleaded the fifth during the entire questioning. This time a jury had a little sympathy for Clara's story and they ordered her to pay $3.75 million in damages.

Speaker 1: 25:19

Now, around Houston she became a pop culture reference and people would start saying I'm thinking about pulling a Clara Harris. And so you know women would say that with a laugh after learning their husband had done something really stupid. It used to be I'm going to pull a Lorena Bobbitt, if you don't know who that is. She kind of chopped off her husband's thing and, I think, threw it in a field somewhere. But you know this, he, he made it out alive and this case I'm going to pull a Clara Harris. So now you might start saying that when you find out your significant other did something stupid In February 2008,.

Speaker 1: 26:00

Harris is asking that her old lawyer, george Parnum, be held accountable for violating the attorney-client privilege. For violating the attorney-client privilege and that a $300,000 promissory note she had signed was while she was under suicide watch. So she should not be held accountable for that. She was in a psychiatric ward at the Harris County Jail and it should be voided because he wasn't looking out in her best interest. In an 11-1 vote, jurors agreed that Harris should pay Parnum the $70,250 she still owed him for expenses from the murder trial and $399,000 for Parnum's attorney to represent him in the two-week trial.

Speaker 1: 26:46

Now, let's face it, clara was probably trying to salvage anything she could with all the money. That's face it. Clara was probably trying to salvage anything she could with all the money that she owed everyone. So she was trying to get out of those expenses with George Parnham. Well, according to the Texas Monthly publication, what very few people knew was that Clara was a model prisoner. As part of the prison program, she learned Braille and worked several hours a day translating school textbooks into Braille. Once more, she didn't violate any prison rules. Quote Clara's goal was to get paroled so that she could be reunited with her son. Every waking moment she thought about her boys and she was not going to do anything to jeopardize her chance of getting parole so that she could someday be with them.

Speaker 1: 27:32

Clara's first eligible parole, as we talked about, was in 2012, but she was turned down. Over the next five years, she was turned down three more times. Apparently, some members of David's family had written letters to the parole board declaring that Clara didn't deserve mercy, that she should at least serve her 20-year sentence and be released in 2023. But she got a new parole attorney, kevin Stowie of San Antonio, and he came up with a new strategy. At her parole hearing he brought her two sons. At her parole hearing, he brought her two sons who were then 19 years old and attending universities in Texas. They said they had come to the prison every month for the last 15 years without fail to visit their mother. The twins acknowledged that, yes, they had lost their father, but at the same time, they had lost their mother, whom they loved deeply.

Speaker 1: 28:40

No-transcript. She inundated with requests for interviews and she turned them all down. Although she knows she can't disappear, she's going to do her best to stay out of the public eye. All she wanted to do was to make up for lost time, said Stowie. Clara only served 15 years of her 20-year sentence.

Speaker 1: 29:02

She was 60 years old when she released and her hair was getting gray. I mean, what's that, like? Mine started graying at 20. She was penniless and legally she owed her in-laws 3.75 million. She was going to initially live with a friend and she would look for a job and then, of course, spend time with her son.

Speaker 1: 29:24

Her friends have told her that she worried that people would look at her when they meet her, recognize her and turn away, and her attorney was saying it's too bad if they do, because she made a horrible mistake, but she's a wonderful woman and it's time to forgive her and move on. So on the same day she was released, bobby Bacha from the Blue Moon Agency released a private recording she made while talking to Clara when she was released on bail before her sentencing years ago. She didn't want to release it until Clara got out of prison and I just want you to hear this recording. Clara wants her money back About two days after her husband's death when she was on bail release and the recording was given to the prosecutor, but they were not able to use it in court. This was shared with KHOU11, and this is what they aired that night.

Speaker 2: 30:27

She's just so calm like you would never know that she was arrested Never, actually. You're probably the second people to listen to this ever.

Speaker 3: 30:38

The phone call you're about to hear was taped 15 years ago by private investigator Bobby Basha and her client Clara Harris. The day after Harris posted Bond, we did tape record everything you know.

Speaker 4: 30:50

As soon as we get that information, we can make that available to you and your attorney. Do you have that? Yes, ma'am, we have everything you know, so, but we don't have it in our possession because of you know the incident that occurred, so if you were there in the log, the surgical part, the investigator did video everything.

Speaker 3: 31:10

He hired us to video the subject In the phone call. Harris is clearly surprised. The events were caught on tape and she tries to learn exactly what was recorded.

Speaker 4: 31:19

There was a video tape. You know they're going into the hotel and doing the video tape.

Speaker 3: 31:23

You know when they tried to develop that. Harris sounds calm and unemotional during the conversation and she doesn't offer an explanation for what happened.

Speaker 2: 31:32

She didn't say it was an accident. No, she didn't say it was an accident. No, she didn't. She said I went out there because I had to see for myself.

Speaker 4: 31:43

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, thank you. Thank you, this is horrible. Oh, I know, are your twins, okay?

Speaker 3: 31:52

They are okay, but once again Harris goes back to the tape. And before the conversation is finished, harris has one final request a refund for the time the PI wouldn't have to investigate because her husband is already dead agreement whether there was going to be a cancellation refund.

Speaker 4: 32:23

The way the contract rates is if the client shows up on the scene, like you did, all retainers and monies are non-refunded. And I'll tell you why, as you found out the hard way. When there's a client on the scene, it jeopardizes our investigators, it jeopardizes the subject and it jeopardizes the client.

Speaker 1: 32:47

That would have looked really bad if it were allowed to be played in the court. So after she was released, six years later, she completed her parole and her ankle monitor is removed and she has done her best to dedicate work to her community. She has taken up a field of psychology. She does public speaking. She helps women who are survivors of domestic violence. She kind of helps talk them through leaving their partner. I mean, I want a speaker like this.

Speaker 1: 33:26

Every place I've ever worked it's always someone amazing that climbed a mountain or landed a plane under duress or something like that. Why don't we get someone who did something atrocious and is turning their life around? I would stay awake for that one. But she is really trying to be a protective member of society. She is really trying to be a protective member of society. I did hear that she could, after that being removed, could have gone back and got her dental license. I didn't see where she'd actually done that. So maybe she isn't cleaning or doing anything dental on your teeth, but hopefully she's just doing volunteer work and being a good person. And while it's good that she isn't running around driving over people speaking of which I was reading an article and I saw where a blogger commented does she get the Mercedes back after her release? Come on, does she get the Mercedes back? I mean, the whole point here is that David doesn't get to rebuild anything and sometimes, while we find these stories funny, I've cracked a few jokes.

Speaker 1: 34:32

The way that he died was horrible and tragic, and it sounds like the most horrific way to go. If every person took out someone for cheating, I mean, the gels would not hold them all Trust. When I say this, I mean the gels would not hold them all Trust when I say this. Silence, indifference and, eventually, forgiveness is better than a moment in jail and to live with someone's murder on your hands. The images must haunt her at night, no matter how much therapy she's had. He was a successful orthodontist, a dad to twin boys and to a daughter who looked up to him so much that she wanted to go into his profession. His life was real. So let's remember things aren't always black and white. They're pretty gray sometimes. Expect the unexpected, because you can't control others. You can just control yourself. Thank you for listening to this episode and join me next time when we find all that is hidden in true crime.